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Black and White Film - Traditional or C-41?

When you want to shoot Black and White film, you're greeted by a strange and exciting array of films catering to all sorts of needs. Fast, slow, and in a variety of contrasts. But they're split down the middle into two distinct groups - Traditional B&W films, and C-41 Black and White. So what's the difference?

Photo by deadollie

So, you want to shoot some Black and White, but you’re not sure which type of film you should go for, ‘Traditional’ or C-41? Let’s have a look at the details of both, and see if we can make up our minds.

‘Traditional’ B&W film (Silver Gelatin):

The ‘Traditional’ Black and White films you see are referred to as Silver Gelatin, the reason for this is fairly simple; They’re made of tiny crystals of silver salts suspended in Gelatin. This mix of Silver and Gelatin is then painted onto the film back, which in most cases is made out of a material resembling plastic, although it can be anything.

One of the nice things about Silver Gelatin films for B&W work is that they’re doing what they were designed to do, and they do a very good job at it. The process is also incredibly simple, so simple you can do it at home – and lots of people do! After the film has been exposed, you load it onto a spool and put it into a tank, then throw in your developer. There are lots of different types of developer for B&W film out there, and they’re all easily available for a reasonable price. As a general rule, I try and match the film and developer brands, for example I shoot a lot of Ilford film, and so I use Ilfotec LC-29 developer. This isn’t essential though, as Ilford films will work perfectly well with another developer such as Kodak’s T-Max, and you’ll still get stunning results. If you can get hold of a few different developers, run a few experiments and see which ones give you the best results.

The developer reacts with the exposed silver crystals on the film, and creates the image you’ll eventually see on the negative. After development, you have to ‘Stop’ the process, this can either be done with a special stop bath, or with some water (I use the latter). Once your stop is done, you then throw in a ‘Fixer’ chemical. This simply removes any of the unexposed silver crystals, to stop them yellowing and damaging the negative. After this, you give it a rinse and hang it up to dry!

This process requires a degree of temperature control, but from my own experience I’d say it’s very flexible. Make sure it’s somewhere around the recommended temperature and you’ll be fine. What’s important is consistency! Make sure that there isn’t too much difference in temperature between each step and you’ll be doing fine!

One last point about these films is that they’re very stable. If you keep them in the dark and in the fridge before shooting them, you’ll find they last for years. After processing, you can do a huge number of things to help prolong their already long life. Scanning and printing are both also very easy, with the added luxury of a Red safelight in the darkroom if you’re working with Black and White papers!

C-41 Black and White films:

Now, when I hear ‘C-41’ I almost instantly think of Colour films, as I’m sure many others do. C-41 is, in most cases, reserved for colour film processing. On a C-41 colour film we have multiple layers, each one sensitive to a different colour of light, producing the appropriate dye when developed.

There are a few Black and White C-41 films avaliable (Kodak BW400CN and Ilford XP2 come to mind), but there just isn’t the selection that you’ll get looking at Silver Gelatin. Like their colourful counterparts, these films also have multiple layers, however all the layers are sensitive to all colours of light and when developed produce a Black dye.

The process for these films is the same as for colour negative films, and is much more complex than the process for Silver Gelatin films. First of all, there is the developer that creates the dyes. You then have to use a Bleach to remove some of the other crystals that the developer creates, after that you Fix the film to remove the unexposed crystals. You then give it a wash before stabilising it and giving it a final rinse. So, it’s a longer process, but it doesn’t sound that much more complicated, right?

Unfortunately not. C-41 processing is far more fussy about temperature, timing and agitation. Even a slight variation in temperature (More than 0.5ºc each way) will start to cause radical colour shifts and changes in contrast and grain. This means that the process is much harder to do at home.

Black and White C-41 films also aren’t as consistent as the Silver Gelatin films are. Some of them have the classic Orange base that colour films have, whilst others don’t. Films with the Orange base can be printed with the correct shades of black onto colour paper, but you’ll run into issues trying to print onto Black and White papers. Likewise, films without it will print fine onto Black and White papers, but not onto colour paper, which is what a lab will most likely try and do if they get given a film can with ‘C-41’ written on it. The problems with printing aren’t terrible, but you won’t get the reproduction of tones and shades that you want in your image, I can distinctly remember on more than one occasion standing at a Lab, waiting to collect something whilst another person complains that their Blacks “Just aren’t black”.

So, there you have it, the differences between the two types of Black and White film. One of the biggest crunch-points for a lot of people though is this: C-41 processing is available at very low prices from many supermarkets, camera shops, post offices, wherever. Whereas the Silver Gelatin processing, for those who can’t do it at home, or simply don’t want to, isn’t so widely available. You’ll most likely have to head to a dedicated film lab for it, and that probably won’t be cheap (Although doing at home is incredibly cheap, as well as fun).

But what matters most is that you get out and take some photos. No matter which one you go for, you’ll be able to get it processed somewhere, by someone. Experiment, have fun, and be creative!

written by deadollie

14 comments

  1. loquat22

    loquat22

    Chromogenic black and white is hard to beat for the convenience (I just drop my rolls off at the local drugstore), but my photos have been known to come out greenish. Too bad I bought a 50 roll pack of Ilford XP2 and have to use it all up! :)

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  2. hello-alexander

    hello-alexander

    You make B&W film development at home sound too easy! Whenever I have gone to try, I find myself giving up at first hurdle as I don't know what to begin to buy. There are so many confusing bottles to sieve through! PS loquat22, fifty rolls, wow!

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  3. vici

    vici

    I really enjoyed reading this, thank you. You described the film and processes very simply and clearly. You may have also inspired me to try home-processing. What do you do with the spent chemistry?

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  4. deadollie

    @Vici: It depends on what it is, if you look at the manufacturers data sheet for each individual product (Should be avaliable on their website) then that'll have all the information you'll need.
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  5. fischkombinat

    fischkombinat

    This is an example of orange tones on a Kodak bw400cn, but i really like this one: http://cloud.lomogra(…)ed04e84.jpg

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  6. laurasulilly

    laurasulilly

    I also process and print at home (just got myself a tiny darkroom two months ago) and I love it sooo much, but I'm still such a newbie and need to learn so much!
    These are some results: http://www.lomograph(…)room-prints

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  7. laurasulilly

    laurasulilly

    Oh, so I go for the traditional of course! :)

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  8. megalithicmatt

    megalithicmatt

    There are also black and white slide films but these are pretty rare now. They're traditional films but have radically different development processes. Agfa Scala (and the Dia-Direct predecessor) was the best known one. Most Ilford films can be processed in reversal baths but I think the only current dedicated b/w slide film left on the market is Fomapan R100.

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  9. deadollie

    @megalithicmatt: I've been reading about reversal processing for Ilford films. The process seems very long and complex, including re-exposure of the film with a specific amount of the right tempreture light. Still, it's something I'd like to try one day.
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  10. katherine-lynn

    katherine-lynn

    If your C-41 black & white prints are coming back from the lab greenish (or any other color cast), they are not taking the time to balance their paper. Find a professional lab! :)
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  11. deadollie

    @katherine-lynn: Part of this issue is caused by the film base (In particular, if it's Orange or not), and the fact that with a lot of colour papers, the Black isn't a true Black - It's a very, very dark Green. But you're right, if you go to a professional lab then you're bound to get better results than if you take them to your local drugstore or supermarket. Although that's part of the reason people use the C-41 films - They can't process them at home and don't have a lab nearby that can handle Silver Gelatin.
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  12. whatapathy

    whatapathy

    excellent and very informative tipster :)

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  13. nick_a_tron

    nick_a_tron

    I've just bought a Tentanal C-41 press kit for developing C41 film and it's super super simple. You don't even need to worry too much about the temperature. Just fill up the sink with hot water and weight for the temperature to get close with the thermometer and you're rolling. I'll be posting my results soon as I can scan them.

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  14. danbarry

    danbarry

    I am currently setting up a darkroom at home and i was just considering some of the points raised here. There's two great UK based darkroom / film supply places online that have started to sell chemicals in pouches so they have longer life spans. AG Photographic and Firsat Call Photographic, but there are tonnes more, so look around. As a novice when i bought my BW stock I chose BW C-41 as there seemed to be more places where you could get them developed but now have compared to dedicated BW film and the results are soooo sexy!

    Also gett hold of a copy of The Darkroom Hand Book, amazon .co.uk sells the 1988 edition for a matter of pennies. The principals of setting up a DRoom at home havent changed too much and has great advice.

    Good luck all. Keep clickin!

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