Changes To Piggy Spending Rules

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With more ways than ever to earn Piggies and great offers happening every week in the Lomography Online Shop, we’ve had to take the tough decision to change how Piggies can be spent – But the change doesn’t come into effect until August 19th and rest assured there will be loads more great shop offers and possibilities for you in the future! Read on for details about the change...

Credits: natalieerachel

In the old days of Lomography, we only had one competition running at a time and the LomoHome of the Day – There were only a few ways to earn Piggy Points. Nowadays, we love the fact that there are loads and loads of different ways for you folks in the community to earn your Piggies!

However, due to all these different ways you can earn Piggy Points, we have faced the tough decision to either limit the number of Piggies we give out or change the Piggy spending rules a bit. We hope that all of you in the community will understand why we decided to go for the latter option and rework the Piggy spending rules; this way, as many people as possible can still continue to earn Piggies. Therefore, the following new Piggy rules will be introduced to the Online Shop from August 19th:

  • A maximum of 10 Piggies can be used on orders subtotalling 25–49.99 EUR/USD/GBP
  • A maximum of 20 Piggies can be used on orders subtotalling 50–74.99 EUR/USD/GBP
  • A maximum of 35 Piggies can be used on orders subtotalling 75–99.99 EUR/USD/GBP
  • A maximum of 50 Piggies can be used on orders subtotalling 100–149.99 EUR/USD/GBP
  • A maximum of 75 Piggies can be used on orders subtotalling 150–199.99 EUR/USD/GBP
  • All Piggies can be used on orders over 200 EUR/USD/GBP

As you can see, in the new rules it will still possible to use as many Piggies as you want if you place an order over 200 EUR/USD/GBP – There are just so many ways to earn Piggy Points that we had to adjust the spend levels a bit. Also, rest assured that nobody is losing Piggies through these changes; it’s just the way you can use them is changing. We also wanted to give you some notice before these changes come into place; that’s why we have decided to give you a week before the new rules are introduced; until then you are free to use your Piggies Points as before.

Also, don’t forget that we have new offers every week in the Online Shop – We have recently lowered our shipping costs and introduced a great Summer Shipping Deal – Oh, and we have a Retail Therapy Offer running until Monday 15th August too!

Finally, we want to say how thankful we are to everyone who contributes to making the Lomography Community such a great place; we love the fact that we are able to offer you unlimited free photo uploads, an ever-growing magazine full of analogue info and a place to interact with like-minded people. We are really committed to offering you the best analogue possibilities and the best deals we can in the future!

Find out more about Piggy Points

written by tomas_bates on 2011-08-12 in #news #piggies #lomography #changes #piggy-points #news #online-shop

111 Comments

  1. susielomovitz
    susielomovitz ·

    :( sad but understandable ;)

  2. guanatos
    guanatos ·

    guess we'll have to keep earning piggies to go for orders of 200€ and up ;) I agree with susie, it makes total sense...

  3. analogmonolog
    analogmonolog ·

    Do agree with @susielomovitz.. It's sad but we do understand the reason :) But we wish LSI can provide us more and more free piggies :P

  4. webo29
    webo29 ·

    it's only fair.

  5. dearjme
    dearjme ·

    Yay @natalieerachel's photo <3
    And mmm, justifying inflation much?

  6. zipper
    zipper ·

    It is not that bad... I got scared with the message. I will buy stuff when I will have 2

  7. zipper
    zipper ·

    200 piggy points... Actually I think it is fair for the most active users....

  8. b0rn2b1ush
    b0rn2b1ush ·

    i understand the need for rules in a community and as i chose to be part of this one, i also submit to its rules. i do hope that rules apply to all parties though. the asia online shop posted items available for purchase, consumers ordered, paid, and watched the order status go from 'processing' to 'waiting for shipment' until lo and behold, it turned 'on hold (no stock)'! then you get an email saying money and piggies will be returned because items you ordered are 'out of stock' when they clearly are still available online. hmmm...

  9. zoezo
    zoezo ·

    why cant we just use piggies how we want to?! surely we earn them therefore when we want to spend them we can decide how many to use, that makes more sense.

  10. pretletterp
    pretletterp ·

    The piggy system was pretty friggin awesome, but the changes are still keeping it awesome. The old system probably cost Lomography a lot of time, effort and money. It's more then awesome that they are only making minor changes. <3 Lomo

  11. marissa
    marissa ·

    Totally agree with Susie! I mean.. I ordered films, keychain, buttons and a sprocket rocket and only had to pay 30 euro's.. that's awesome but also bizarre! haha.

  12. wil6ka
    wil6ka ·

    good new system, full stop!

  13. adi_totp
    adi_totp ·

    okay, thank you for giving us so much piggies :D

  14. mauky
    mauky ·

    fair and understandable :)

  15. gabysalas
    gabysalas ·

    @b0rn2b1ush: This must have been a mistake with the system and we apologize for that. Please contact customerservice@lomographyasia.com, they should be able to help you out!

  16. cc-in-paris
    cc-in-paris ·

    as someone who just got a camera entirely for free, I can only agree with the mood above - sure it's sad, but only fair!

  17. alehopgm
    alehopgm ·

    I agree with the changes, but maybe it would be a good idea to change also the "expire date" for piggies. Example: I have right now 135 piggies, so I can place an order over 200 € and spend all of them, or perhaps I can place an order between 150 and 199,99 € and spend only 75 piggies. In this case it would be a good idea to get a new "expire date" for my others 60 piggies. What do you think?

  18. veato
    veato ·

    I actually wondered when something like this would happen so I expected it but it's still sad. For example a Fritz the Blitz flash (my next purchase) is £55. That means I could use 20 piggies. But with postage costs being relatively high (£12) I'm not really saving a great deal as the total cost to me is still £47 after piggies. So if I put time and effort into writing two good requested articles (which I do, not just hash any old rubbish together) it will feel hardly worth it. The only option would be to wait until I have over 200 :( Like I said expected but sad.

    I've written three lengthy tutorial pieces (30 piggies each I think) recently so maybe I'll get them published and paid out before the rules change?

  19. b0rn2b1ush
    b0rn2b1ush ·

    @gabysalas: i've been in touch with paul, and he's been really great with following up and updating. i may not be happy with the way my order has been resolved, but i have to say i'm grateful for the customer service team's and paul's attention to my case. apparently, it's a pricing issue - my order was processed but with items tagged at lower prices. this is why i got an email from customer service saying my order will be cancelled. the items i ordered are still available but prices have been 'corrected' to the higher amount. in the end, i still don't get my order. bummer.

  20. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    I don't think that there is another company out there that has such a cool rewarding system for their customers like LSI... I don't know why some of you are not ok with the changes... They are not that bad...

  21. dogma
    dogma ·

    I understand why you need this and i'm more then happy that for three years i had opportunity to use this amazing piggy bank system, but this update changes everything.

  22. maria_vlachou
    maria_vlachou ·

    e.g. agfa ct precisa for 7€!!!!, but we can't spent the piggies as we wish??? In long terms it will be your loss...

  23. dogma
    dogma ·

    @Lucretia it's not that bad if you are in EU and you get income in Eur. But if 1 Eur cost you 3,5 LT (your local money) and 200 Eur is 700 LT (minimum income in country), limit of 200 Eur and other limitations are a bit to high

  24. snoop
    snoop ·

    @veato: the shipping costs are a lot lower now! we have special shipping promos going on, with free shipping for an order value over 25gbp

  25. nadinadu
    nadinadu ·

    I guess it makes sense....
    but then i would find it really useful if our piggies wouldnt expire so soon! Seeing as you may not be able to use them all straight away!

  26. javihacefotos
    javihacefotos ·

    menuda mierda...

  27. neja
    neja ·

    sad, but fair

  28. liquorice
    liquorice ·

    I'm agree with @alehopgm and @nadinadu about the expiring piggies... I understand the new rules, but I think it's not fair the policy of expiring piggies...

  29. ululchen
    ululchen ·

    @snoop: what are the changes for the shipping costs? or are you just talking about the summer shipping promo, which is not valid in quite a few places?

  30. snoop
    snoop ·

    i am talking about the summer shipping promo, since veato is from the uk and this is valid there. also for the rest of the world, we are obviously aiming to be able to ship from your country to save shipping costs, we did this for canada and taiwan recently, and a lot more are being planned. so we are obviously still facing issues with countries where we don't have logistic hubs, etc.. but we are doing our best to solve these issues, since shipping costs are costs we want to avoid obviously.

  31. gabysalas
    gabysalas ·

    @All: We really appreciate your feedback, and as always will try to keep it in mind for the future.

  32. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    @dogma: I'm from Romania... the local currency is in LEI ... 1 leu = 4.2 euro. 200 euro is about 857 lei (the minimum income in my country). I agree that if I want to purchase something below 200 euros the new piggy rules are not in my favor... but I don't intend to do that. :) I'm gonna be patient.

  33. dogma
    dogma ·

    @lucretia so we in the same boat :) and you know what i mean :)

  34. shin-yi-huang
    shin-yi-huang ·

    I hope we can gat our own language in this announcement.....so that we can make sure do not to mistake the rule...thx

  35. saidseni
    saidseni ·

    I always wondered how you guys could continue with that. I've made amazing purchases here with the piggies, really unbelievable (cameras, films etc and pay 5€...) but I must say @veato really has a point. Anyway, the Lomo Shop at Lisboa will say thank you 'cause now I will probably buy more stuff directly there to avoid the shipping... ;)

    Also, I think that the piggies expiring limit should end. I'm afraid people write articles just for the piggies and not to mention the translations with google translate...

    That said, I think it's fair, I was waiting for this day. And thank you! :)

  36. coldkennels
    coldkennels ·

    If you're changing the piggy point system - which, as said by many above, is a fair change, due to the amount of "abuse" - then I'm afraid there should really be other knock-on changes.

    See, it was always my understanding and belief that the existence of the piggy point system necessitated the ridiculously high standard shipping charges (£12 for a pack of film? Really?) and the stupidly high prices of your cameras (Holgas can be bought for £15, not £45, Smena 8Ms are usually around the £20 mark, not £85, and Lubitel 2s - even from the most expensive secondhand shop - are not worth £170), because you had to recoup the money lost by allowing the use of piggies. However, if you're keeping the same pricing structure, there's now very little excuse for it, other than taking the trusting newcomer to the cleaners.

    Moreover, as someone else mentioned above, piggies are, in effect, payment. Whenever someone writes an article for your site, you are paying them in your own currency as they are, in fact, working for you. While this situation (where the worker is paid in a currency only redeemable with his employer) is generally thought of to be an exploitative one in the "real world", it was an acceptable one to us. After all, we did it by choice. But now that you are making it harder to redeem that currency in full, allowing it to disappear within a month is unfair.

    I understand it's important to not allow free piggies to stack, as if that was the case, an account that hadn't been touched for two years would come back with enough piggies for a sizable treat in the shop. However, everything else has been earned; how would you like it if the CEOs at Lomography told you that your payslip would be reclaimed within 30days if it had not been spent in full?

  37. kylethefrench
    kylethefrench ·

    Yeah it isn't that terrible of a change

  38. myahcat
    myahcat ·

    It's true what @saidseni says: I certainly keep submitting articles not so much so I can earn more piggies, but simply so I can stop the ones I have from expiring! I'm not so bothered about the spending changes; I would like to see shipping charges come right down - I buy from the the London stores where possible to avoid the shipping costs; I would like to see an end to piggies expiring.

  39. gabysalas
    gabysalas ·

    @coldkennels: The existence of Piggy Points was never intended as an offset to shipping charges, or prices set on the Lomography Shop. Piggy points are intended as a thank you for active community members who choose to participate on our site. We stand behind our products, plus if you buy a used camera on ebay, you forgo the guarantee and the customer service (Lomography provides a two year warranty for all of it's cameras and friendly, attentive customer service). We also provide plenty of promotions, sales and extra giveaways through our site constantly.

  40. graymalking
    graymalking ·

    It seems fair and reasonable.
    BUT you could do something about them expiring so quickly. Or, now that there are limitations to the way we spend them, maybe just abolishing expiration altogether.

  41. peropero
    peropero ·

    Sad but reasonable.

  42. jojo8785
    jojo8785 ·

    Given that Australia isn't privy to ANY summer shipping deals, and to buy from local lomo stores costs A LOT more than the prices from the lomo online store (horizon perfect for $620 anyone? Ps at the moment that's more in American $$) - so piggies were the only way to negate the substantial shipping costs vs the local shop prices. So...probably will spend the piggies I have & maybe stop writing articles...after all, for 5-10 piggies, the lomo mag was written for a good price (not that I write awesome articles, but a lot of people do). Maybe you can hire some writers with the savings. Good luck lomo :)

  43. ululchen
    ululchen ·

    @coldkennels: i totally agree! i mean, by submitting a picture to a competition, we give lsi the right to use that picture as they please, so it is just fair to get something in return (intellectual property rights, anyone?). don't get me wrong, i enjoy having some of my pictures published in books, but it pisses me off a little when sending a free copy of the book rightaway is obviously too much to be asked for. instead, you just get piggies in the value of the book and you can pay the shipping costs yourself.
    besides, if you don't want to give so many piggies away, you should probably check the quality of the articles that are submitted because there are huge differences, and as @saidseni mentioned, some translations are obviously made by google and still get published. i know that officially there is some kind of quality check but after reading the 100th tipster explaining the same thing, i find it a little hard to believe.

  44. mariaratfingers
    mariaratfingers ·

    As a person living in Argentina, where currency is 1 USD = 4 pesos, but salaries are paid as though it was 1 = 1, I gotta say that this comes as a very unpleasant surprise.
    Shipping costs to Argentina are as high as 50 USD (200 pesos), which here are as painful as 200 USD. And these shipping costs are for every single order, no matter what, and no shipping promo ever applies to Argentina.
    This is only reasonable if you consider that orders placed here are sent all the way from the US, but if you consider that there's also a Lomography store in Chile and one in Brazil (it says on this site that there's one in Argentina, but that can barely be called an Embassy store, since it consists of a few cameras piled up at a museum gift shop's shelf), it makes me wonder why we have to pay as much as 50 dollars to ship in stuff that could be so easily sent from the countries next door..
    I understand why some people can find this change reasonable, especially the ones living in Europe, the US or other places where shipping costs are still high but affordable. And I know no one is going to change these measures based on some really far away country where a very low number of people are familiar with Lomography in the first place. But I'm just really bummed with this, since I've been saving piggies for a while now and having to go all the way to 200 to be able to use them and mildly deaden the shipping costs sounds like a very hard thing to do.
    I do realise how generous the piggy system was so far, but this changes everything for the worse for countries like mine, and I'm sure for several others in a similar situation.
    I only hope this doesn't lead to more and more articles and translations of very poor quality, although I have to say it's almost inevitable with measures like these...
    Oh well! I doubt anyone's gonna read a comment this long though :) I just had to let it all out.

  45. quaisoir
    quaisoir ·

    Yeah abolish the expiration of piggies!or at least have an expiration of at least 6 months to a year?

  46. reneg88
    reneg88 ·

    I'm sorry.... as much as I respect this community, I think this is bad. I understand the consequences the piggy system has for you guys, but in friendly terms, piggies are our 'paycheck' as previously stated... Not only do we work for them (winning rumbles, writing articles for the magazine, being requested post or just reviews and tips that we simply feel like sharing with the community), but we have to work at consistency in doing so, to be able to keep our piggies alive and stock up enough amounts to reward ourselves with gifts. Not only are we obligated to spend our 'paycheck' in your online store (which is perfectly fine by me), but now, we can't even spend them the way we want? I understand WHY this would happen, because I am one who usually spends only what shipping costs me because of the piggies. But I think if we're able to pull that off, it's because we worked hard for it and we deserve it. Not to mention all the free promotion you guys get every time we share our photos in other websites (Facebook, Tumblr, Flickr, etc.), and every time you use our pictures for advertising in banners, e-mails, and even booklets, without even a notice or reward that our photo is being used. And I understand that's policy when we join the website, and I'm also not asking to be rewarded for it, but I think, after all that, allowing us to use the piggies however we want to seems only fair. But this is just my opinion. I understand probably neither @gabysalas or @tomas_bates have the blame in this, so please understand this is nothing personal with you guys. <3 Lomo on!

  47. coldkennels
    coldkennels ·

    @gabysalas: I'm not intending to insult or cause problems. But if you go back, I was careful to say that I always thought the piggy points necessitated the high prices, not the other way round, and also didn't even mention ebay (although I've yet to have an ebay transaction that wasn't top notch). In fact, I was thinking of Fedka, a shop that tends to be anywhere between a third and a half of Lomography's prices, despite having the best reputation for classic Soviet cameras on the internet. It was this massive price difference that always confused me, and like I said, I assumed that it was the constant freebies to the regular community that caused it.

  48. reneg88
    reneg88 ·

    Oh! and I also REALLY agree with @ululchen on the issue about the articles. Some articles are really bad, that have clearly been written with the only intent of getting piggies, and they don't even have the decency to do a good job with them, writing only maybe one or two paragraphs with 2 or 3 sentences each, and I'm not even gonna mention translations. So maybe you guys could save yourself some piggies in doing a better task reviewing these submissions and either declining them (with a notification to the user explaining why, so they don't want forever for an article that isn't getting published), or giving the user suggestions so they can make it better and re-submit it. Just a suggestion. :P

  49. le_ors
    le_ors ·

    I've earned a total of 140 piggies since Lomography changed website and I have never be able to spend none of those piggies because their rules "how to spend lomopiggies", so this decision means that I can still not use the piggies I earn and I have to lost them as I lost these 140 before :), since here in my country dollars and euros are limited every year and those who can have them are the ones who have credit card (not an university student like me, of course)

    So, it is all the same for venezuelan people :)

  50. cwyeung
    cwyeung ·

    Sad to hear that. Poor men like me were helped a lot to enter the world of Lomography, by earning piggy with its hard work, will be more difficult to reach their goal. There will be much less great submissions other that die heart lomographers after apply the new rule...

  51. antibiotyx
    antibiotyx ·

    i totally understand these new piggy spending rules. but could you please remove or at least extend the expire date of piggies, please? :) this has been a clamor by many lomographers.

  52. grazie
    grazie ·

    this is kinda sad but I agree with most that it's just fair. But yeah, please extend the expire date on the piggies...

  53. superlighter
    superlighter ·

    Totally agree with @coldkennels first message.

  54. watercold23
    watercold23 ·

    PLEASE change the piggy expiration date! Do it before the new system if possible! Thanks ;)

  55. soleado
    soleado ·

    It seems very reasonable. Maybe to extend the expiration date (45 days, more or less) is reasonable too.

  56. kneehigh85
    kneehigh85 ·

    Gosh it is all going on in piggie world today isn't it? I have been reading this thread all day at work (but system wont allow me to sign in and comment). It is a bit of a minefield really isn't it?
    In principle I totally agree with the alterations as I think the old system was probably costing lomo money on occasion so we should have all see it coming. However, there is a reason that shops tend to hike prices in line with the current economic climate and that is so as to not shock and upset people. Effectively lomo have just quadrupled the amount you have to spend in order to use all your piggies and that is what has bothered people the most, in my opinion. I do feel glad that lomo are so generous with their piggies but I have to admit that they are the only reason I buy anything from the online shop, otherwise I simply couldn't afford the high prices + shipping costs. I do think people, particularly @coldkennels, have a point about piggies being payment for work and it would be criminal for people's salaries to run out if they hadn't spent them within one month. Equally I understand that they can't allow them to run on forever and ever as they are intended to only benefit the active community. Maybe as a result of that LSI should find a way to make piggies expire on something else, like most recent activity so that way, if you are LHOTD day and get 50 piggies, but cannot afford to spend them in the next month as you have no money or a holiday etc etc and due to the new rules would have to spend some real money as well, you could keep your piggies as long as you continue to upload / like / comment / shout etc. This would make it fairer for those members (like myself) who don't always have cash to splash every time piggies are awarded. I honestly feel that this would be the fairest solution all round.

  57. kneehigh85
    kneehigh85 ·

    P.S. If anyone is still reading!
    Obviously I can only comment on this as a fairly satisfied UK customer. For those people in other countries where the exchange rate and shipping costs lead to huge expense then I am clearly not in a position to say anything but it does sound pretty bad for them.

  58. veato
    veato ·

    I was going to blog something about this after some careful consideration. I still might. Ultimately though I have two main points. The first is regarding competition winning piggies. Now I've never been fortunate enough to win a competition but the new restrictions placed on piggies hardly seems like the 'prize' for winning is much of a prize at all. Unless of course you're even luckier and win LOTS of competitions!

    My biggest issue though is regarding articles. I've before I put time and effort and thought into the articles I write and I have always been satisfied with the reward of 5-10 piggies knowing that once I hit 50 I can spend them all and only pay postage. It seemed a fair trade off between doing the writing and getting "paid" for it. Now though I'm looking at the situation and wondering if that balance I was so happy with before still exists? If it is the case that too many piggies are handed out then some serious vetting needs to be done on the articles (yes, maybe even mine) as I cannot believe what gets through and potentially earns 10 piggies for some people. 1 or 2 paragraphs, hardly any detail, no structure. It grates when I know how much effort I put it and now what the reward for that is.

  59. mariaratfingers
    mariaratfingers ·

    @kneehigh85 I'm still reading! Thanks for your empathy, it is pretty bad!
    Now to say something shorter and more realistic, there definitely should be something done about the expiration date.
    Especially since some articles (such as spanish translations) take so long to be published, one cannot speculate about when the piggies will be awarded, and therefore keeping them alive becomes a lottery. Every time you submit an article or translation you get a message stating that you'll be notified within the next 24 hours about the article, but i've had translations on hold for over 3 months and haven't heard a thing about them. Eventually they get published, most of them, but in the meantime all my piggies are in danger!
    I'm sure this happens to a lot of people, so, as @kneehigh85 says, there's probably other ways of checking that one is an active member of the community than just piggy account activity.

  60. reneg88
    reneg88 ·

    i think we're all still reading. :P

  61. liquorice
    liquorice ·

    I'm agree with @mariaratfingers... usually is passes away so much time until a translation is published and rewarded. I repeat I understand the new rules, because surely LSI was losing a lot of money, but I think it has gone too far... 200 EUR to use all our piggies... and with an expiration date... not really fair...
    @kneehigh85 i'm still reading. I'm reading every single post because I want to know what people thinks about this (:

  62. vicuna
    vicuna ·

    Wow, interesting discussion here! As many, I understand that the Piggy system has been changed. In the old days of Lomography (talking about the old site, long time ago, only known by other veterans, ha ha!!) the piggies were very limited and hard to earn. Then with the new site coming a lot more of piggies were distributed and now, the amount of possibilities to earn some piggies is huge. I don't know any other site that gives so much "credits" to participating users to be spent in the shop... and so reforming the use of the piggies can be understandable. Shipping is anyway another issue (i always have to pay 50 US $ for every order...). Of course, this changes the "shopping" behavior as bigger orders are necessary now to spend all the piggies.... Don't forget that LSI is not a "charity organisation" but a successfull commercial brand....
    And I agree with others about the low quality of some articles: some tipsters, locations ore other reviews are badly written, with less than 5 pics (thought it was a requested minimum) and sometimes with no interesting thing at all... LSI should be a bit more "severe" with the quality of some articles, as if piggies are given, they also should be earned for something interesting...

  63. veato
    veato ·

    @vicuna I agree LSI are not a charity. They are a business and like all businesses they exist to generate profit.

    But don't forget my time is not charitable in the same sense. If I write a (good) article I'm not doing out of the goodness of my own heart. LSI request something and if I fulfil the objective I get "paid".

    The issue now is the piggies are effectively worth less. Take for example with the old system if I wrote 8 articles I'd be paid enough piggies to buy myself a Sprocket Rocket (£79 + P&P). I see this as a fair reward for my time and effort.

    With the new system if I write 8 articles and want to buy a Sprocket Rocket I can only use 35 piggies meaning it will now cost £44 + P&P. My articles in this example have been devalued as such.

    Ok, I know you can save 200 and spend them all but then you have issues such expiring piggies, especially when it's through no fault of your own, for example I'm currently outstanding 35 piggies.

  64. marant69
    marant69 ·

    Wow a flame here on lomography! :)
    What tenderness!
    Just one thing!
    In a year I have earned 230 piggies and I managed to spend in different orders 219 of them using all the coupons and free shipping I could find! ( I believe in my right )
    In more than ever this year I won two cameras (one Horizon Perfekt and a Diana F+)
    I have only one thing to say to LSI, thanks!
    Sorry to all lomofriends. But I am afraid of being the cause of these changes! ;-D
    Excuse my English but I used google translator! ;P

  65. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    Hey, again fellow lomographers :D. I've been reading the comments on this article and I am just wondering how can the 30 days limit for the piggies is considered to short by some. I mean, if you write one or two articles every month there is no way you won't extend your piggies. It is true that some articles get published more than 1 month after they have been submitted but if you write 1 or 2 requested posts at the beggining of every month one of them will surely be published and the piggies given.

    I am a bit confused because for the last 3 months I have been earning piggies by writing articles and had no problem with the 30 days limit.

    Anyway, hope that we will all get accustomed very fast with the new piggy rules.

  66. mariaratfingers
    mariaratfingers ·

    @lucretia maybe you've been lucky with the articles you wrote, but like i said it's not always easy to keep control over that. For example i have now (and counting, i always keep track of the things i wirte and the date that i do) 11 articles on hold, and some have been written more than 5 months ago, and it's not that i got an e-mail saying that they won't be published for some particular reason or anything. It's pretty chaotic really, and i've been as much as a few hours close to losing a significant amount of piggies because of that.

  67. lighttomysoul
    lighttomysoul ·

    I'm still reading! I've read every comment now. This is muy interesting.
    Basically I agree with the general consensus of: extending piggy expiration point.
    I'm pretty sure almost everyone of us has to juggle either work, or school, some have children, we have friends, we have social lives, a lot of us have our own scanner and that takes up a lot of time. We all have a lot of things that take up a lot of time for us. In between all of that we take lomographs and that's wonderful and keeps us happy and going! Some of us are lucky to win rumbles on here (although I would love to see rumbles being announced quicker, and a special section for announced ones, I've said this before), many of us writes articles, some with higher quality, some with less high quality. When not even the minimum requirement of 5 pictures are being met I don't get particularly happy.

    Point is though that we WORK for our piggies, as have been said. And now we have to work a lot harder and probably wait a lot longer to be able to treat ourselves. Knowing I now have to get up to 200 piglets to be able to spend them all means I'll now be looking to other options for films, because €12 is still way too expensive for shipping a pack of film.
    I've said before - introduce more shipping options. Courier for the more expensive things, and normal mail for film and simple things. I'm sure it'd be much appreciated by all those who live in a safe country where no one steals your mail if you're not home. I for one hate DHL and refuse to have my things sent by them, but I sometimes wonder if the normal shipping that I ask for is as expensive as with DHL.

    I think at least 2 months is a fair expiry time. That way we can submit an article a week and wouldn't have to worry so much about expiring piggies. Words on received articles need to improve a LOT! Sometimes you don't even get a note saying it's been received, it just gets published 2-3 weeks later. And now it would sting a lot more if those piggies expired while you were halfway through working them up because now I'm sure many is gonna want to wait and just put a really big order in.

    In accordance with this, I think Lomo also should set up a simple swap/buy/sell page. That way we can trade film and other things amongst us, and won't have to wait for 200 piggies.

    Another thing Lomo needs is a suggestion box because I alone have like 50 ideas/improvements for the site. Just little functions here and there that would help a lot, some new additions that would help a lot etc etc.

  68. superlighter
    superlighter ·

    I'm wonder where in the world the money I've earned from a job had an expiration date, I'm not ashamed of the 349 euros I used to buy the LC-Wide last monday, I earned that money with some sacrifice during last monts, spending hours in front of a pc screen "working" for the site instead of go outside in the fresh air.

  69. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    @mariaratfingers Ok I see. That's a really nasty situation... 5 months... gosh! That's really a lot! I've been writing articles only since april this year so I'm fairly new at this.

  70. kneehigh85
    kneehigh85 ·

    Yeah I agree largely with all that has been said since my last posts. @lucretia I think it is ok for people writing articles but for people who don't have time / aren't particularly into writing etc then if they were to win a rumble this expiry business could hit them hard which is why I think the dates need extending in a different way. I still however stand by @coldkennels point that as it is payment for essentially work that has been carried out by community members in various ways then having them expire is not really that fair. Maybe just the free piggies could expire, like the summer splash ones but ones that have been earned, through hard work should remain indefinitely.

  71. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    @kneehigh85 Yes... You have a good point. For the people who don't have time / aren't particularly into writing piggy expiry date could be a problem. Totally agree.

  72. panchromatic
    panchromatic ·

    I personally enjoy writing articles, simply for the sake of it. The piggies received for each article are, for me, an added bonus, rather than the sole reason for contributing something to this site.
    However, the fact remains that, upon receiving those piggies, we were aware of certain conditions under which they could be used. To change those conditions, without warning, and after doing so to give only a weeks notice, In my opinion, is simply unfair.
    There are other ways that Lomography could have gone about this. They could have told us about this a while ago and asked our opinion--perhaps an online poll to present us with the possibilities and let us have a say?
    I understand that it is in the best interests of Lomography to change the piggy spending rules, however the way they have gone about it is less than impressive.

  73. panchromatic
    panchromatic ·

    Whoops, I just realised that I contradicted myself when I said that we were given no warning, but a weeks notice. :P What I meant to say was that, we were not given any information that suggested Lomography planned to change the piggy rules, until they told us this. Then we were given only a weeks notice.
    I just thought I would make myself clear.

  74. coldkennels
    coldkennels ·

    @lucretia and @kneehigh85 - I've personally had either 45 piggies disappear through no reason of my own; I'd had two (or was it three?) articles published weeks earlier and never received the piggies I was owed, despite me asking "Mr Pig" multiple times in the week prior to them expiring. To add insult to injury, when I finally got a response from someone at Lomography and explained the situation, they wouldn't reinstate the piggies I shouldn't have lost in the first place.

    Ironically, I had an article published just after this - from a YEAR previous, that I'd totally forgotten about, and assumed it was refused.

    Needless to say, I checked out the piggies I'd earned on some film, and stopped writing articles at that very moment. If these rules were in place, I wouldn't have even been able to do that. They would have just had to disappear like the others. I have a degree in writing, and have no issue sitting down and banging out some words - but I don't normally have to deal with situations like that when I do.

  75. superlighter
    superlighter ·

    why don't reward us with products? I really like competitions where one can win a camera or other stuffs and let me say that for the articles, locations, camera reviews or tips it needs a serious selection of what deserve to be published and rewarded.

  76. inkybrown
    inkybrown ·

    I strongly agree with those saying that if new limitations are added on Piggies, then at the very least their expiration date should be extended. I am new here, and I have not yet earned enough Piggies to redeem on anything I want because I would have to spend a lot just to save a little. If I could save up my Piggies until a day when I could actually benefit from using them, that would be swell.

  77. mr-korn
    mr-korn ·

    looks like the girl in the photo is contemplating suicide....good job

  78. liquorice
    liquorice ·

    @coldkennels i'm not sure i understand this... could you explain it a little, i'm interested to understand what did you pretend to say.

  79. 86john
    86john ·

    I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS REALLY REALLY KILLED MY INTEREST IN MAKING NEW ALBUMS OR WRITING ARTICLES! AND I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE WILL FEEL THE SAME TOO. IF I NEED TO SPEND USD200 THEN ONLY I CAN USE ALL PIGGIES, THEN I THINK I CAN OPEN A LOMO STALL ALREADY.

  80. 86john
    86john ·

    A SMALL 1, BY THE ROAD SIDE, SELLING FILMS MOST PROBABLY?

  81. miss_maha
    miss_maha ·

    I agree with the new piggy spending rule. I was wondering how Lomography was keeping their profit marge steady with all the piggies that people rather spend than paying the full price. My last order was a €100 fuji instax mini but with 75 piggies and the summer shipping got it for €25, which made me over the moon happy but I can see how lomography is "suffering" the loss with people hardly paying for all the stuff.
    So go go lomography! as long as you guys keep on existing and making awesome products I'm a happy girl :)

  82. recurving
    recurving ·

    Dear all! First: thanks for all your feedback – positive or negative. Second: we read every comment and are very interested in what you have to say as we want this site to be a great experience for all of you. Be assured we will continue working on this issue – by creating more competitions and ways for you to earn piggies (as @vicuna mentioned: there are way more than in the "old" days), by handing them out faster, … Keep the comments coming, this is the founding of our disucssions on that topic!

  83. kneehigh85
    kneehigh85 ·

    I think it is really good that LSI folk are still reading these posts! thanks @recurving.

  84. coldkennels
    coldkennels ·

    @recurving: I don't think more piggies are the answer here. The problems are more endemic than that; I think tighter submission guidelines, a more transparent submission editing process, fairer (read: more balanced) shipping charges and longer/no expiry deadline on EARNED piggies (not free ones) are the real ways to solve both lomography.com's and LSI's problems (which, in LSI's case, is one of losses, I would assume.).

    In my opinion, though, I'd not only do all of the above, but actually reduce the piggy handouts dramatically, but then lower profit margins on all products worldwide, both online and in shops. This way you'd still be rewarding the regular website users (albeit slowing down the free-camera gravy train), but also encourage the casual shoppers, and make it easier for newcomers (especially young ones) to get involved. Perhaps then these new changes wouldn't be so necessary; if a camera that can be bought for half the price elsewhere is closer to the standard market prices, the users of Lomography.com wouldn't feel a need to save up hundreds of piggies before they even considered using your shop. It's a radical idea, but I think it'd be for the best overall in the long-term.

  85. awesomesther
    awesomesther ·

    MY piggies are expiring in about 11 days... And I've 1 more article which was published in End June but piggies have not arrived :O I hope LSI can help me get the piggies in ASAP? Thanks! Someone from Lomography has already emailed me a few days back but piggies are still nowhere to be seen.

    And well... I agree... Just gotta wait till I've a lot of items (or high-value items) to order... To use the piggies! :c

  86. 86john
    86john ·

    just cut the amount of contest and required post. why so troublesome, right?

  87. stouf
    stouf ·

    I couldn't care less. I'm not here for the piggies. But I agree with the others about the quality of articles. Some are so bad they just make me close my browser... And I surely miss great ones because of this constant and uncontrolled flux. A first good step would be to eliminate posts that are just copying previous posts (I'm sill crazy mad about a particular one...). Novelty and quality should be mandatory... Then, you would have to deal with the tricky question of defining 'what's good' ... Because the 'likes' count is often a biased measurement since people spam the shoutbox with self-advertisements... Tricky tricky... : )

  88. lee07
    lee07 ·

    For piggy concerns, please do email piggies@lomography.com :)

  89. zipper
    zipper ·

    I have read all the comments, even the long ones, I am really happy there is a debate in Lomography. I joined a couple of months ago, and I have notice the boring articles and the lack of criticism. I think no one ever says: "Dude, this article is boring" I suppose we are very respectful, but with this new piggy system, people who try to do our best with their articles see their work downgraded...

    My second point is related to the articles as well, but in this case about the translations. I translate a few articles per month, I am very lucky because I can write in Spanish, French and English. I translate articles to Spanish, because I am not certain my English is good enough for a translation of quality. I think Lomography should check the level of the translators, diplomas or facts that show a good control of a foreign language.

    I claim for a better control of the articles, so piggies can get there value back.

  90. ipdegirl
    ipdegirl ·

    No expiration date for piggies!

  91. aprilrich427
    aprilrich427 ·

    I'm confused why we can't use out piggy points for the lomolab with development services?!

  92. aprilrich427
    aprilrich427 ·

    I'm confused why we can't use out piggy points for the lomolab with development services?!

  93. pheebs
    pheebs ·

    @lighttomysoul please send your suggestions to customerservice@lomography.com I'll be happy to have a look at them since we are constantly working to improve the site.

  94. snoop
    snoop ·

    @all:

    -any open piggy questions will be solved ASAP.
    -article quality issues / etc... is something we are also re-working constantly and we will introduce radical new measures here too
    -shipping rates is a huge topic which we want to create more fair and better. watch out, we are working on something interesting now, which will adress the film shipping issues.
    - we recently dropped a lot of prices during the price changes (whereas usually companies adjust prices up). film prices dropped several times for our own branded film, and we are striving to even bring you more great film for great prices, which noone else does currently (just compare the film prices other brands charge, and those are multi-billion dollar companies)
    - we do not want to upset our regular contributors, wait for some of the things we will do soon, which will also make you happier (camera testing, film testing, etc...) -> we are adjusting our systems to offer other rewards to be a regular contributor, whereas still being able to offer a broad piggy scheme on the website. this is where we want to go also more. We obviously have a list of top contributors, you are the core of the magazine, this is what we will not forget and honor. The way we are handling this will however change since you need to create a system which works for everyone and then on top we finetune with other measures.
    - it is sad to hear that some people are just motivated by piggies to join the community, I have yet to see piggies in other photo communities, or other websites, this is always thought as a little thank you and additional bonus when joining lomography

    keep the discussion going, and I hope that I was able to clarify different points.

  95. kneehigh85
    kneehigh85 ·

    @snoop - Again thanks for sticking with it and reading everyone's concerns. It is that kind of attention that keeps me here and contributing, and not piggies that motivate me (though of course they are a lovely bonus which I greatly appreciate). However, I think the biggest concern which doesn't seem to have been addressed is that of piggy points expiring quite quickly. Are you able to give any indication as to whether or not that will be looked at?
    As for the quality of articles, I think this is a real tough issue. The reason being, I have read articles on here that are short, some where the English is not perfect and some where there aren't as many photos attached, but I have to say I still enjoy reading them, more or less all of them. I personally try to make my articles meet the criteria and be interesting and informative and I think I earn the piggies I get for them. As do most of the other contributors on this site. Don't forget people here aren't authors or journalists, they are people who like analogue photography trying to do their best for LSI.

  96. russheath
    russheath ·

    --I'm happy to be part of a community that can have such a civil discussion about a potentially loaded issue. Thanks everyone!
    --Ditto all of the above concerns about expiration dates. You can be sure that if I save up 150 piggies, go on vacation, and come back to find them gone I will be done contributing. Enough said.
    --The pricing issue on the website is quite important. It's good to see that some prices have come down, but the trend must continue. Most here area aware that essentially all of your goods are available at other websites (Amazon) for around 10% less. Combine that with free shipping for all of us who have Amazon Prime, and your new spend limits make it financially foolish to make any small purchases here. If I can only spend 10 piggies on a $49 purchase, then why would I do that when the total for that purchase would have been a total of $35 on a different website? I'll save my piggies for the $200+ purchase. So if you don't lower prices to match your re-sellers, you're giving a clear message that you want us to go somewhere else for small purchases. I don't think that's really the message you want to send.
    --There is a broad mix of quality in respect to submissions. I'm glad to hear that you have plans to address that.
    --Most importantly: I'm not here for the piggies! You all have created a thriving online community that I truly appreciate. It's nice to get paid for contributions (Thanks for the free Fisheye No 2 + submarine case all purchased with piggies!), but the community itself is really the most important thing. Keep up the good work.

  97. snoop
    snoop ·

    we are always looking that our members get a great value if they purchase with us, we constantly have deals / promotions running for our core community. also if you compare prices now, you will notice a shift. same for shipping, this is why we are also running the shipping promotion now.

    concerning the expiration date, this should be far less of an issue with faster piggy dispatches, etc.. if you have the case that you go on vacation and miss this please drop our customer service an e-mail, we will look into cases like this obviously.

  98. snoop
    snoop ·

    and concerning the question about the forum: we believe that as a direction for the website it makes more sense to go into the way of a communication as you are used to on facebook, etc... there are no forums there too, it is more of a direct communication via pictures, on people's homes, etc.. we did have some parallel forums in some countries, but once the community started to pick up, everyone moved to the site and the forums basically stopped working. as a nod towards the forums, we are keeping the shoutbox on the main page, which is for these discussions.

  99. achocolatemoose
    achocolatemoose ·

    Understandable. Loved how it was and it was fun while it lasted, but with more piggies in the lomo economy comes a new set of rules!

  100. trash-gordon-from-outer-space
    trash-gordon-from-outer-space ·

    Sadly, spending Piggies (= shopping in the lomo store) is becoming less and less attractive for me with these changes and the ones that already happended before. I don't like how they force you to buy stuff you don't really need or want, just to get the maximum out of your piggies. Also the times where you have enough piggies to buy something and the times where you have enough money to support the order never seem to coincide. So I would back up the demand for longer expiry dates. I would also like if you added a rule like "5 Piggies can be spent on every order". This would give people who don't have time to submit articles regulary the opportunity to at least spend their occasional piggie earnings on small orders. It wouldn't hurt that much.

  101. hello-alexander
    hello-alexander ·

    I think to justify the piggy rules changing, the shipping charges should be dropped (after this shipping promo that is currently running). Its infuriating when rewarded piggies don't really knock any discount off the order because the shipping is so high.

  102. 0live
    0live ·

    Ten snarky thoughts by 0live:

    1. Panties in a bunch!
    2. I know I'm part of the lomo community because I buy lomo community. Isn't that what matters?
    3. Piggies are like junk mail coupons, with glitter. Its nice to get them in the mail, but if I don't end up using them, I forget they even existed.
    4. Is internet blogging for piggies leaving the digital grind behind?
    5. Check out my albums. I live for likes and mass approval.
    6. You worry about the piggies, I'll be out photographing a garden.
    7. What LSI giveth, LSI taketh away. Are you a humble servant?
    8. My thoughts in general: www.lomography.cn/magazine/lifestyle/2011/05/31/0lives-mani…
    9. I'm a poor starving artist. Piggies never fed me.
    10. I'm a vegetarian anyway.

  103. mariaratfingers
    mariaratfingers ·

    now that we're all speaking up, i thought i'd just make a small suggestion: wouldn't it be better if the user gets notified when they are "tagged" at another person's comment or article? it seems pretty useless to tag or quote someone (@username) if they may never read it unless they, by chance, enter the article and read all the comments. i know it doesn't concern piggies and it sounds silly but it's still something that could help improve the community :)

  104. lucretia
    lucretia ·

    @mariaratfingers: I was just about to write your suggestion :). It would be very nice to get this upgrade. :)

  105. missnothing
    missnothing ·

    UN resumen en español por favor!

  106. scootiepye
    scootiepye ·

    I'd consider extending the life of a piggy point to 90days and decrease the shipping rate - & also maybe consider allowing shipping costs to be paid in piggy points at a set rate

  107. kutshie
    kutshie ·

    I believe that the users who are upset with this are those who made it happen :)

  108. veato
    veato ·

    @kutshie Not true at all. If you read my comments I make some valid points.

  109. bio_lenta
    bio_lenta ·

    I'm glad I used my 65 piggies towards a Diana F+ before this! Even if I felt like stealing from Lomography, lol, but hey, I invested time to win those piggies (mostly by translating, btw)! So yeah, I think it is fair for the company... but I do want to make an observation regarding our submissions... some of the translations I made were approved way after I translated them... even if the notification after I submitted them always said that I was going to get a response after 24 hours, which I never got... and that's a reason why I stopped translating; it was a big bummer... and I knew it usually took a few days before the translations were approved because that happened with my first ones... but the last ones... I even stopped coming everyday because of that. :(

    Anyway...

    Oh, and was the expiration date prolonged? So it seems on mine (expire on sep 23rd).

  110. shin-yi-huang
    shin-yi-huang ·

    one suggesiton: Maybe Lomo Official can have a film-boudget to replace the piggies-giving then lomo graphers are valiable to shoot more many lomo-effect photos and put it on community to share with everyone. In my opinion, the way it makes will have a nice recycling to both user and lomo-seller. Afterall, I have no idea to the people who spent original price on Lomo camera, how do they gonna feel about piggie user can actually buy much more cheaper than they did:(
    Every one like bouget, discount and how to set up a new rule that makes every person willing to is still an issue to think carefully:)

  111. stouf
    stouf ·

    I had an idea this morning. Maybe you'll like it ? www.lomography.cn/homes/stouf/blog/6226-lomoprints-a-dream

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